Comments on: GC: On Tank Balance http://www.wow-track.com/2009/11/20/gc-on-tank-balance/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gc-on-tank-balance World of Warcraft news Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:52:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Druidzanics http://www.wow-track.com/2009/11/20/gc-on-tank-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-1531 Druidzanics Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:00:16 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1380#comment-1531 Ghostcrawler hits with well-thought out argument! Its super effective! Ghostcrawler hits with well-thought out argument!

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]]> By: bigblake http://www.wow-track.com/2009/11/20/gc-on-tank-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 bigblake Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:57:51 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1380#comment-1443 I do play a warrior tank, and I agree with Elanthos. Pally tanks are extremely commonplace now because its extremely easy to tank with them. Not to say they can do things warriors cant, its just easier. But Pallys and Druids being superior? That arguements a joke, theres nothing that would suggest that. DK's tend to have a harder time in places with weak quick attacks, and warriors have a harder time when you need to pop a CD every minute, but these arent gamebreaking issues. I accept it as each class's unique strengths and weaknesses, and im glad that all the tanking classes arent the exact same. I do play a warrior tank, and I agree with Elanthos. Pally tanks are extremely commonplace now because its extremely easy to tank with them. Not to say they can do things warriors cant, its just easier. But Pallys and Druids being superior? That arguements a joke, theres nothing that would suggest that. DK’s tend to have a harder time in places with weak quick attacks, and warriors have a harder time when you need to pop a CD every minute, but these arent gamebreaking issues. I accept it as each class’s unique strengths and weaknesses, and im glad that all the tanking classes arent the exact same.

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]]> By: Elanthos http://www.wow-track.com/2009/11/20/gc-on-tank-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-1103 Elanthos Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:51:53 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1380#comment-1103 This is a pretty hard topic. I would say that skilled players with existing warrior tanks are probably going to continue to use them, but probably (IMO) because of familiarity with and fondness for the character. Nevertheless, I have seen developing warrior tanks struggle with certain encounters because of their basic nature. For example, I was in Ony25 the other day with two warrior tanks and one dk tank, and when the whelps came out it was an absolute mess. There were whelps everywhere and I couldn't bring myself to blame the players -- the tanks simply didn't have the tools to control the whelps in a way that made dps confident about bringing aoe to bear. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the only class I've consistently seen handle the whelps well is the paladin. All other tank classes struggle to one degree or another. Also, in terms of the raids that I'm going on, there's no doubt that warrior and druid tanks are now very rare. Paladin tanks seem to be the most common, followed by death knight tanks, followed by warrior tanks, and with druid tanks holding a pitiable last place (probably because of the lack of stam/agi/dodge gear). Thus, GC's comments seem to be at odds with my own experience, and by a significant margin. Now, I don't play a warrior tank, so I won't speculate as to why this is the case, but it does seem to me that GC is dismissing what seem to be valid concerns about the class. This is a pretty hard topic.

I would say that skilled players with existing warrior tanks are probably going to continue to use them, but probably (IMO) because of familiarity with and fondness for the character.

Nevertheless, I have seen developing warrior tanks struggle with certain encounters because of their basic nature. For example, I was in Ony25 the other day with two warrior tanks and one dk tank, and when the whelps came out it was an absolute mess. There were whelps everywhere and I couldn’t bring myself to blame the players — the tanks simply didn’t have the tools to control the whelps in a way that made dps confident about bringing aoe to bear. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that the only class I’ve consistently seen handle the whelps well is the paladin. All other tank classes struggle to one degree or another.

Also, in terms of the raids that I’m going on, there’s no doubt that warrior and druid tanks are now very rare. Paladin tanks seem to be the most common, followed by death knight tanks, followed by warrior tanks, and with druid tanks holding a pitiable last place (probably because of the lack of stam/agi/dodge gear). Thus, GC’s comments seem to be at odds with my own experience, and by a significant margin.

Now, I don’t play a warrior tank, so I won’t speculate as to why this is the case, but it does seem to me that GC is dismissing what seem to be valid concerns about the class.

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]]> By: Ragekiller http://www.wow-track.com/2009/11/20/gc-on-tank-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-1094 Ragekiller Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:31:43 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1380#comment-1094 Fellas, if there was no difference between tanking classes, where would the fun be? Some tanks are favorable over others to some encounters, if it hadn't been like that, why would blizz make four tanking classes instead of one? Really now. And the warrior beats all others things are starting to annoy me. There's a difference between class and skill. If you're a ceirtain class it doesn't mean you actually get to be awesome just because some other random dude is playing the same class great. It's all bout finding your own style, people tend to forget that. As for the pala/druid being boring to level, that goes for all classes. Atleast with druid you can go caster if you're too bored. Anyhow, blizz does a great job IMO and how people can complain about every little thing goes beyond me. Fellas, if there was no difference between tanking classes, where would the fun be? Some tanks are favorable over others to some encounters, if it hadn’t been like that, why would blizz make four tanking classes instead of one? Really now. And the warrior beats all others things are starting to annoy me. There’s a difference between class and skill. If you’re a ceirtain class it doesn’t mean you actually get to be awesome just because some other random dude is playing the same class great. It’s all bout finding your own style, people tend to forget that.
As for the pala/druid being boring to level, that goes for all classes. Atleast with druid you can go caster if you’re too bored. Anyhow, blizz does a great job IMO and how people can complain about every little thing goes beyond me.

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]]> By: Braden http://www.wow-track.com/2009/11/20/gc-on-tank-balance/comment-page-1/#comment-1093 Braden Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:12:07 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1380#comment-1093 All I hear within the questions asked of the GC is a bunch of QQ. People need to learn to adjust to patches and changes just as they adjust to a new boss fight or a new raid. Change your spec, change your rotations and learn to improve based on the talents and skills you are handed. Yes, there is imbalance. But these imbalances can be mitigated by the player to the extent where they are minimal when compared to the importance of your choice of spec and glyph comp and the use of cooldowns appropriately. I've tanked all of Wrath's content as a DK and plan to continue to do so. There are fights where my class has been a huge advantage.(Practically any fight with burst magic damage. Kologarn, Sapph, KT, Koralon, Vesax) and where having a reliable interrupt on a low cd made me the viable choice to tank it. (Lord Jaraxxus, KT, Vesax etc.) Icecrown will be no different. There will be fights where a warrior/paladin/druid tank is much more useful and there will be fights where I will excel regardless of the armor/stam nerfs of 3.2 and 3.1 and regardless of the Icecrown Radiance. A personal example is when I read about the changes to Icecrown Radiance I made sure I had my parry gear ready to go. I knew this dodge nerf was going to hurt my threat. Now my parry is nearly 10% more than what it would have been due to changing my weapon rune trinkets and gear itemization with practically the same amount of HP. I have full confidence that I'll be able to tank ICC 25 with my Blood spec DK without issue upon release. The only reason the GC answers seem redundant, annoying and repetative is because that's exactly what the questions and concerns have become. People need to get over it. If there are real concerns they tend to make the adjustments necessary. (aka 17% buff to runestrike threat to counter the threat loss for DK's) Have some faith. All I hear within the questions asked of the GC is a bunch of QQ.

People need to learn to adjust to patches and changes just as they adjust to a new boss fight or a new raid. Change your spec, change your rotations and learn to improve based on the talents and skills you are handed.

Yes, there is imbalance. But these imbalances can be mitigated by the player to the extent where they are minimal when compared to the importance of your choice of spec and glyph comp and the use of cooldowns appropriately.

I’ve tanked all of Wrath’s content as a DK and plan to continue to do so. There are fights where my class has been a huge advantage.(Practically any fight with burst magic damage. Kologarn, Sapph, KT, Koralon, Vesax) and where having a reliable interrupt on a low cd made me the viable choice to tank it. (Lord Jaraxxus, KT, Vesax etc.)

Icecrown will be no different. There will be fights where a warrior/paladin/druid tank is much more useful and there will be fights where I will excel regardless of the armor/stam nerfs of 3.2 and 3.1 and regardless of the Icecrown Radiance.

A personal example is when I read about the changes to Icecrown Radiance I made sure I had my parry gear ready to go. I knew this dodge nerf was going to hurt my threat. Now my parry is nearly 10% more than what it would have been due to changing my weapon rune trinkets and gear itemization with practically the same amount of HP.

I have full confidence that I’ll be able to tank ICC 25 with my Blood spec DK without issue upon release.

The only reason the GC answers seem redundant, annoying and repetative is because that’s exactly what the questions and concerns have become.

People need to get over it. If there are real concerns they tend to make the adjustments necessary. (aka 17% buff to runestrike threat to counter the threat loss for DK’s)

Have some faith.

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