Comments on: Tanking and Survivability Changes http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/05/tanking-and-survivability-changes/ World of Warcraft news Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:15:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Falconys http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/05/tanking-and-survivability-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-4107 Falconys Wed, 14 Apr 2010 03:42:07 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1941#comment-4107 Basically, I don't care one wit about the paladin nerf... it's a minor inconvenience that will be forgotten about. I do have something to say about all this commentary on paladin aoe threat. When you are learning a new pull for the first time, and you specifically request crowd control to keep the healer from getting pwnd before you are in control of the fight do you get it? I didn't, and then I got blamed for pulling wrong. Paladin AoE is a handy replacement for some CC/planning ahead, but it still dont mean anything if your dps are a bunch of morons that dont know what they can or should be doing. I love AoE tanking as much as any paladin, but when I ask for cc it would be nice if people would co-operate some. Now, can we get back on the subject? DK's needed help badly, and thats not just my opinion, but the opinion of every healer in my guild, and I'm glad they got it. Basically, I don’t care one wit about the paladin nerf… it’s a minor inconvenience that will be forgotten about. I do have something to say about all this commentary on paladin aoe threat.

When you are learning a new pull for the first time, and you specifically request crowd control to keep the healer from getting pwnd before you are in control of the fight do you get it? I didn’t, and then I got blamed for pulling wrong. Paladin AoE is a handy replacement for some CC/planning ahead, but it still dont mean anything if your dps are a bunch of morons that dont know what they can or should be doing. I love AoE tanking as much as any paladin, but when I ask for cc it would be nice if people would co-operate some.

Now, can we get back on the subject? DK’s needed help badly, and thats not just my opinion, but the opinion of every healer in my guild, and I’m glad they got it.

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]]> By: Beerend http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/05/tanking-and-survivability-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2795 Beerend Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:22:24 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1941#comment-2795 In my humble opinion you can hardly say "paladins were the most balanced class" due to balance always reffering to relativity towards something else. That being said I will be crying over the stamina loss, was nearly gonna hit 50k on my paladin and now ill need to wait a while for that again I guess! In my humble opinion you can hardly say “paladins were the most balanced class” due to balance always reffering to relativity towards something else. That being said I will be crying over the stamina loss, was nearly gonna hit 50k on my paladin and now ill need to wait a while for that again I guess!

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]]> By: doombringer http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/05/tanking-and-survivability-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2730 doombringer Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:50:17 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1941#comment-2730 i have a DK tank that is very well geared, however all this gear is meaningless in icc raid as the insta-debuff is a killer for avoidances the health pool buff although very much welcome does not affect the damage taken by DK tanks, on another note i think a DK only tank off hand item should be created to compete with the pala/warrior shield off hand, a friend of mine with a paladin tank has exactly the same gear as me except for his weapon and shield and due to this shield he takes on average 1.2-1.8k less damage per boss strkie than i do and this is in most cases a lifesaver and potential raid save. dunno what other DK tanks think to this idea, or maybe have it that DK's can use shields and who knows have a similar playing firld among the three plate wearing tank classes. i have a DK tank that is very well geared, however all this gear is meaningless in icc raid as the insta-debuff is a killer for avoidances the health pool buff although very much welcome does not affect the damage taken by DK tanks, on another note i think a DK only tank off hand item should be created to compete with the pala/warrior shield off hand, a friend of mine with a paladin tank has exactly the same gear as me except for his weapon and shield and due to this shield he takes on average 1.2-1.8k less damage per boss strkie than i do and this is in most cases a lifesaver and potential raid save. dunno what other DK tanks think to this idea, or maybe have it that DK’s can use shields and who knows have a similar playing firld among the three plate wearing tank classes.

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]]> By: pygmy http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/05/tanking-and-survivability-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2712 pygmy Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:30:38 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1941#comment-2712 I'm gonna have to disagree with you Razzle. A DK's Ability to self heal is equal to or in some cases better than that of a paladin's. Flash heal on a prot paladin is well crap, the amount it heals is generally less than what my DK gets out of Death strike and my paladin is much better geared. Also while casting we lose almost all of our defensive capabilities, no blocking parrying etc. So if we're in the need of that quick flash heal its too dangerous to try and get it off. Lay on hands is admittedly cool, however it does prevent us from using some of our other survival CDs if we use it on ourselves. Death strike other than being slightly rune expensive has no downside you can use it whenever and it doesn't effect any other abilities. Truth be told I've never used rune tap so I don't know how effective that is. I’m gonna have to disagree with you Razzle. A DK’s Ability to self heal is equal to or in some cases better than that of a paladin’s. Flash heal on a prot paladin is well crap, the amount it heals is generally less than what my DK gets out of Death strike and my paladin is much better geared. Also while casting we lose almost all of our defensive capabilities, no blocking parrying etc. So if we’re in the need of that quick flash heal its too dangerous to try and get it off. Lay on hands is admittedly cool, however it does prevent us from using some of our other survival CDs if we use it on ourselves.

Death strike other than being slightly rune expensive has no downside you can use it whenever and it doesn’t effect any other abilities. Truth be told I’ve never used rune tap so I don’t know how effective that is.

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]]> By: Falconys http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/05/tanking-and-survivability-changes/comment-page-1/#comment-2658 Falconys Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:58:06 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=1941#comment-2658 My main is a Tankadin. I'm not at all troubled by the nerf and I totally support the buff to Death Knights. My guilds' best tank leveled a pally because he was tired of seeing all the dammage his DK took in Ulduar, and he hasn't looked back. Now he is back to tanking on his warrior which he also loves. What really bugs me is the pervasive misconceptions about one tanking class versus another. Pallies are OP?? A moron paladin stacking ONLY stam is as hard to heal as a DK at the same level of gear. Its nice doing 10mans with 2-3 paladins in the group, but I think it would be better for raiding to have more than 1 class that is "desirable" for both MT and OT. I also think specializing tank classes is a bad idea... you never know who might be available or who is really the better player, reguardless of gear quality. A good player can do far better with a garbage toon than a garbage player can do with a good toon. My main is a Tankadin. I’m not at all troubled by the nerf and I totally support the buff to Death Knights. My guilds’ best tank leveled a pally because he was tired of seeing all the dammage his DK took in Ulduar, and he hasn’t looked back. Now he is back to tanking on his warrior which he also loves.

What really bugs me is the pervasive misconceptions about one tanking class versus another. Pallies are OP?? A moron paladin stacking ONLY stam is as hard to heal as a DK at the same level of gear. Its nice doing 10mans with 2-3 paladins in the group, but I think it would be better for raiding to have more than 1 class that is “desirable” for both MT and OT.

I also think specializing tank classes is a bad idea… you never know who might be available or who is really the better player, reguardless of gear quality. A good player can do far better with a garbage toon than a garbage player can do with a good toon.

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