Quote from: Zarhym
I’m sure some of you noticed this in the 3.3.3 PTR patch notes:
- Frozo the Renowned has moved into the Dalaran Magus Commerce Exchange and will be trading your Frozen Orbs for various other trade goods.
For those curious, here are the items for which you can trade your Frozen Orbs to Frozo. These each cost 1 Frozen Orb unless noted otherwise in parentheses:
- Crusader Orb (6)
- Runed Orb (4)
- Eternal Fire
- Eternal Earth
- Eternal Water
- Eternal Air
- Eternal Life
- Eternal Shadow
- Frost Lotus
- Pattern: Frosty Flying Carpet [Tailors Only] (6)
PTR Patch 3.3.3 Notes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23329393385&sid=1
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I would have to agree that the point here is not “wellfare” for the “noobs” but to allow EVERYONE to have a chance to play. I happen to have a fulltime+ job….I’m in the Army so there were times where I couldn’t play for weeks or months at a time. I have been playing off and on since Vanilla and until Badge Gear was introduced I had NEVER raided, not because I didn’t WANT to, not because I didn’t know my class, but because I simply COULDN’T. I didn’t have the time available to grind out for the gear, to get the gear, to get the gear to get into a raid. I know that many feel that this is dumbing down things but seriously some of us have real lives and we would like the option to actually see end content BEFORE its so obsolete its a joke its not that I am “lesser” or “casual” or what ever you wish to call it but that I simply DO NOT HAVE THE TIME to catch up to the epics that have Heroic LK on farm or whatever.
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Badanock,
I could go on a diatribe about run-on sentences and the use of an actual paragraph…but I won’t.
Gosh, let me see….an estimated 11 million users and how many of them are these “hardcores?”
A hundred thousand?
Maybe not even that.
So, let’s see, cater to 90+ percent of the gamers or the other side.
Yep, that’s a tough one. Better boot those 10 million so Baddy boy here can go back to having his balls kicked in every night and lovin’ it.
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just what this game needs, more arrogant 10 year olds such as Badanock. I’ve been raiding since wow first came out and yes they were hard, you felt accomplished when you were done, but the hardcore raiders on any server form up around 1-3% of the gamers. If blizzard kicked all of the non-raiding or casual player base it would lose money and you Badanock would have to find something else to do with your life, like maybe find a job.
now that im done with that useing frozen orbs as currency for items that are not hard to get will not dumb down the game. ex: you can farm your eternals from WG for hours to get maybe 10 or trade an item that is otherwise worthless to get em, imo it evens out the economy other than destroys it. theres still gonna be high end items that people can make that will allow them to make money.
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This seems like a good idea, in reaction to the Frozen Orbs becoming nothing but vendor trash. However, it would have been better if the Frozen Orbs hadn’t been made redundant by Blizzard’s rapid escalation of emblems and emblem gear.
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I personaly have over 60 frozen orbs in the bank. They are not worth the time to put them in the AH because no one is crafting anything that uses them. I will be happy to be able to spend them on anything! It will clear a few bag spaces for more importaint stuff like a train wrecker or an old brewfest stein.
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Estlin.. I’m sorry.. but.. I just have to ask.. you’re complaining that blizzard is making the game “press button, receive best in slot.”
I don’t know if I missed something but I don’t happen to see primordial saronite up there. Oh, and you still need tokens from 25 man ICC to buy higher end tier don’t you? Or was I mistaken? If you’re seriously threatened by the idea of someone farming heroics for last content patch level gear and coming in to replace you.. you must not be a very valuable player, eh?
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Why would people go on and on about others being “too dumb” to play? How would a person being ignorant of their class in full spectrum make them incapable of farming? If you have surpassed level 1, you have the ability, 100%, to farm.
Why would people freak about how this is going to drastically change the market? The market fluctuates pretty drastically every patch it seems, or at least on my server it does. These are crafting items folks. Cooldowns removed from titansteel as well as specialized cloth, i.e. ebonweave, moonshroud, etc. This is helping those who don’t have time to, or maybe not the guild capacity to raid, gear better by way of crafted items. Maybe to help with raid progression, maybe just the sake of shiny new gear, who knows? I have been raiding since BC times, and with the introduction of Wrath, I was just dumbfounded that tier gear could be purchased with badges. In BC times, you had to EARN those items.
Blizzard has made it possible for the casual player to acquire tier gear. Me personally, i think it’s fantastic. Good for them, why should the casual player be left out? My guild has 2 wings of ICC on FARM, I am not arrogant toward others about it, they pay their dues every month the same as I.
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Pardon me if I am wrong, but isn’t the point of comments to discuss how upgrades such as this one will effect personal gameplay? I’m sorry for those of you who rather read more comments of “lol this sounds awesome”, but isn’t a healthy debate about how casual players, gold farmers, and hard core players react to changes such as Frozo more to the point? Besides which, at the very least it makes a pleasant surprise to find on what could have been merely an acknowledgment to future content.
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Estlin has way too much time on his hands, and is most likely trolling. he spends too much of his above book flaming, or trying to start Flames. so ignore him.
Hardcore gamers always get a few months to do the new content first.
during that time the cost of certain items are always inflated. it happens in RL to, you spend more on cutting edge computers than you do 6 months after release. (a lot more)
Bliz knows what they are doing, and you QQers out there will have to suffer until the next content to continue your pi$$ing contest.
this is not about goldfarmers, its about giving good game-play to the largest amount of demographics you can. good for business, good for game-play.
I’m glad for that because the affect is to prevent an ever increasing divide between casual and hardcore gamers that would effectively create two separate games
if that is ruining your fun, go outside and play a sport or something. no one is holding a gun to your head.
Peace.
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can’t you discuss your personal issues somewhere else??? this thread is about Frozo The Renowned and selling frozen orbs and not about your personal gameplay and things that most people reading this don’t really care about …
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Estlin, you accuse me of being things I am not. My type of player has never bothered your playing. I agree that these “lazy players” or as MooKau called them “geared idiots” ruin the game for others- I’ve suffered my share in randoms and sympathize with the frustration. If you have trouble with them, I still think being smarter about PUGing is the answer. My realm is loaded with these so my solution was building a good guild so I don’t have to worry about them. We’ve got three other guilds we work with, and we invite from each other. I find very little inherently wrong with this and many other changes I’ve seen so much complaining about, and feel there’s simply a stubbornness and lack of creativity in dealing with them. The guys I feel sorry for are the PVPers who had their turf turned into leveling zones and raiders whose classes keep getting messed with because of arena balancing (and no, I’m none of those four groups).
Defining “my kind of player” : Basically, we’re not into being the fastest guy to headshot his opponents, so we play a more social game. We don’t strive to perfect our gameplay because we don’t have that kind of time, only to gradually improve it. Folks in my guild don’t spend 15+ hours a week playing (note: playing, not raiding). We cleared Kara after the nerf and we loved Blizzard for it because overgearing was not an option: heroic farming was much rougher and stepped emblems were not available. We have NO interest in playing with and getting carried by others. As for “overgearing is bad”, well yeah, I’d agree if you’re at end-game content, which again- we’re not. If my healer is half a second late , I’m perfectly content if they’re wearing a little extra SP and the HOTs get the group through. If they’re on an unannounced bio break, I’m more than happy to eat the wipe. I don’t expect to be excessively overgeared, and I don’t want dumbed down encounters- facerolling isn’t fun. The thing is, if everyone in my guild had to clear Naxx or Yogg countless times, we’d never go any farther. We can’t clear either in a single week given the raiding time available and our relaxed raiding style, so advanced emblem gear is a fantastic solution for us.
As for personal skill it’s a fallacy that just because I don’t progress more means I suck. I MT, do all my homework and then some, I know my spec top to bottom and have been complimented on occasion when joining other guilds’ VoA runs. If I had the time to play with a serious raiding guild, trust that I would be on my way to clearing ICC now. But that doesn’t do it for me- I like people, not a few more bits on Blizzard’s servers. I don’t care about content being new as snfgl suggests, but do grow bored of content old to me.
I don’t know where you get the impression I’m frustrated. I love that Blizzard has evolved the game where my kind of player can do more. The only thing I’m frustrated with is an excessively vocal minority and I want Blizzard to know I appreciate what they’ve improved for my kind.
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just look what ariel wrote:
“Guys, come on this is just a game -.-
If your going to complain so much about it, no one is forcing you to pay your $15 or whatever…Just /quit”
you are soooooo right …
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what the hell are you whining about the wow-market an golds and how this new seller will have an influence, what about fu***ng WAIT AND SEE!!!
me myself would use the orbs to get cheaper flasks für my raids, so i don’t have to farm the frost lotus anymore (i don’t have a lot luck in dropping them anyway
all you complaining over and over again that wow sucks and blizz made it crappy, try a new game and stop paying for wow and stop complaining about something you’re not forced to do …
getting on my nerves …
(sry for any grammatical mistakes, english lessons’ve been a while ^.^)
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Ok, guys. You complain that this is eliminating gold market, blahblahblah. You say people that know the workings of the wow economy are being punished because gold is easy to get. Well, these same people will find a new way to make tons of gold within a week anyway. If they can’t, then they obviously don’t take as much time to look at things as you think.
Second, I’d like to point out that the expansion is only a half a year away. Despite this, 90% of players are still struggling to clear the first wing of ICC. It would be a bad move on Blizzard’s part to begin a new expansion when so few people even know the workings of the new content. Doing this is one of many ways Blizzard can push the “lazy people” into the newest content without hurting their own profit. Because if people aren’t playing the new content, then Blizzard is losing customers. Come November every item listed above will essentially be worthless and none of your complaining will matter anyway. It’ll be back to the days when Naxx was difficult all over again.
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Ehh.
Thing is, Estlin, there will always be geared idiots. The difference now is that some (okay, most) of these people get it as the content-before-previous becomes completely obsolete. Remember back in the Ulduar days, when we had to deal with scrubs that were carried through Naxx? I wouldn’t doubt that there are still people getting carried for ToC and gear and stuff from the first couple bosses in ICC. People who, sadly, have no interest in researching their own class and are only interested in extending their own epeen and pretending to be skilled without doing any of the work that skilled raiders do. If it’s not Blizzard making it easier, it’s other players who carry their friends without realizing that they have no idea what they’re doing. There will always be morons running around in high gear, unfortunately.
But Blizzard likes people to see the endgame content. BC was a side-story. WC3 and vanilla have pretty much been a big set-up to this climatic event: defeating Arthas. Can you blame Blizzard for wanting people to see and experience this crowning moment in the story?
The way I see it, Blizzard had to implement this to combat the goldfarming bots that run around with Find Herbs on and loot the frost lotus out of all the nodes and then AH them for ridiculous prices, causing the trickledown effect of inflated flask prices. This will allow the alchs to get their lotus easily with orbs, which means less gold for the farmers and lower flask prices. I grind out my 25 dailies a day because the flask prices on my server have doubled since the bots invaded. I don’t want to have to feed gold farmers to raid, I get enough of them whispering me to buy their wares during raid time already. I’d rather be gnawing on Putricide.
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Guys, come on this is just a game -.-
If your going to complain so much about it, no one is forcing you to pay your $15 or whatever…Just /quit
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WTB an intelligent response to my arguments, paying all my gold. PST
Steelforge you, like so many before you, have it so very wrong. Telling that, like the others, you resort to personal attacks and insults.
I’m trying to debate the quality of a game from my perspective and you’re feeling threatened because you apparently feel “good enough” to raid at a higher level. I don’t think this is cause for ignorant insults, but for a re-evaluation of your view of the game and your place in it. Allow me to respectfully disagree with the majority of your arguments and the ways in which you make them.
I would like to preface these comments by stating that I have lots of respect for the different ways people play the game, including yours. We all prioritize our lives according to our commitments and time available. It may be that I just have more free time than you. I may be further along in progress because I’m better player (There are plenty, PLENTY, of players out there better than I). Regardless, I advocate at all times players playing in a way they can “afford” and enjoy. Because of your statements, I belive you’re looking at this incorrectly, if you’re really looking at this at all. In the order you presented them:
1. No, no casual raiders are “clearing” ICC right now as a whole (although I’m sure some have), but many are making progress. The advent of the cross-realm lfg function has opened my eyes to the disparity in skill and achievement between servers and I think that ill-informs your view. There are semi-successful pugs for ToC 25, ICC10 and 25 being formed on my server DAILY. I’m not that hardcore, raiding 2-3 nights a week for 2-3 hours each, and my guild hasn’t been past Festergut on 10 man. Look 1st at yourself, 2nd at the people you run with, and last your server. The answers to why you aren’t more progressed are simply in those three things.
2.” A casual player can’t do that with triumph gear, or even with the 1-3 pieces of frost gear available by now to those consistently grinding their daily random heroic and weekly raid (when it isn’t Marrowgar)….no longer _necessary_ for casual players to ignore raids due to the requirement of putting in a full-time job farming mats and we can get overgeared without grinding starter raids endlessly, and _then_ we can clear those starter raids. Remember- this is in order to play _old_ content.”
If this is the way you play, no wonder you’re frustrated. If you need to overgear an instance to clear it, there’s something wrong with the way you play. You are meant to enter new content with gear from the content previous. Gear is to help you forward, not backward. Yes, you really can enter and have some success at ICC10 with all level 232 gear, it just depends on your knowledge and skill. A guild cleared Ulduar in level 80 BLUES.
That being said, if Ulduar is where you’re at, there’s nothing wrong with that. The problem comes when you complain that you can’t get farther and, in an attempt to keep your $15/month, Blizz nerfs the instance to where it’s not fun for me or gives (GIVES) you the gear to progress to a level you aren’t prepared for and I have to carry you or fail because of you. I commend you for sticking in Ulduar when the vast majority of players skipped it partially or completely. You’re getting what you deserve, as should we all. You have all the resources you need to advance already. Should it be at the expense of my enjoyment that it is made even easier for you?
3. Once again, I don’t mind if you’re level 80 in all 264 having trouble clearing Kara. You are obviously defensive about something that I never said. The insults must exist mostly in your own mind.
4. How you can rebuke me for denouncing socialism, then claim the cover of the Declaration of Independence? You recognize Blizzard’s right of capitalism as an argument against my beliefs while ignoring the fact that it trounces your “pursuit of happiness” fallacy as well. I did, however, have to look up “Randian” and I thank you for broadening my horizons a bit.
“emphasizing character as the primary determinant of moral worth, and possess a fundamentally heroic attitude towards life.” from Wikipedia.
I’ll take that as a compliment, thanks, despite the fact that it is inherently impossible to be “randian” and whine at the same time. When using words, I’ve found a command of their connotation and denotation to be exceptionally helpful.
5. “That is if you don’t mind of course, your highness, for I dare not anger a princess”. I’m sorry you felt the need to resort to that. Perhaps if you learned how to make valid arguments in respectful debate you wouldn’t find need to use immature (and incomprehensible) insults to justify your own flawed views.
I still have yet to see a valid argument as to what benefit this exercise in mediocrity by Blizzard actually creates. I am open to the fact I may be wrong, but it will take more than the feeble, witless rantings of people who admittedly don’t deserve the hand-outs the ask for and receive.
Either you’re on the side of skill and effort or you’re on the side of entitlements and selfishness. Plain and simple if you ask me.
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I kind of agree with Estlin tho.. A lot of the changes (dumbing down) that have been made to WoW are because of people who refuse to learn how to play their class or are simply too stupid, dont understand concepts such as standing in fire kills you or won’t take the time and learn about a raid encounter on their own. Then they do in fact complain that it’s too hard and blizzard catuers to them making it easy and boring for everyone else.
I mean seriously if you are failing at something don’t ASSUME you aren’t the problem. Just because YOU THINK you can play your class doesn’t mean you can. Just because you got a lot of high ilvl gear doesn’t mean you’re any good. trust me, when you’re in a raid and everyone else DOES know what they are doing, we can tell when you suck.
On the other hand some things ARE simply incredibly difficult, and should be dumbed down and have been accordingly.
I personally dont care about the crafting mats being more easily availaible tho. I never saw crafting as very profitable to begin with. Estlin does seem to contradict himself, he’s complaining but at the same time saying eternals and frost orbs shouldn’t retain their value from 6 months ago. So which is it man?
Is it bad too that the 24 hr cooldown is being removed from Titansteel?
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The best method I’ve ever seen in combatting currency farmers was in EvE Online. Of course it’s illegal to buy what they call isk (currency) there and a bannable offense but they went a step further. They allow players to buy game time and then turn around and sell it for currency on their own forums. It’s been a while since I played they might even have a community site mechanic that makes it easier now.
So basically the hardcore players get to play for free in a sense. They make in-game currency to buy game time from an individual the person selling the game time gets currency for an extra 15-30 dollars while paying for someone else to play. It works out pretty good, and currency farmers in EvE when I left were at a very minimal level. And really who can argue with getting “free” play time just for farming massive amounts of gold or isk or silver or whatever, something you’re going to do anyway.
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You know this change doesn’t really matter to me. I dont craft much.. most of my gold comes from farming randoms and doing dailies. If blizzard has decided to make it easier to get eternals and orbs then so what it doesnt make THAT big of an impact. Really what blizzard is going to end up happening is the price of frost orbs will go up replacing what it cost to buy the items offered by the vendor from the AH.
Devaluing gold is a very effective way to battle gold farmers. Gold farmers thrive better in a game where gold is hard to comeby. As gold is harder to get by casual players and prices for items will ALWAYS be outrageous, we the player make it so. As a result players are MORE inclined to buy gold in a stricter economy.
Seriously if you want to really combat gold farmers/sellers stop placing items on teh AH for stupidly outrageous prices. For instance my server still sells the pattern drops from ToC for well over 5k gold, most players cant afford that on my server.
Blizzard should also work to reduce the gold we pay out for certain abilities such as artisan flying. 4200g is STILL a chuck for some people, not having to pay that big of a shot for one thing devalues gold a little but lessens the hold on their wallets.
Selling mats for a few gold each or even 20-40-50g each isn’t a problem. It’s the big items everyone wants that we like to charge 3, 4, 5, 10k gold for that still allows gold farmers to trive.
Basically any game company needs to realize that Gold farmers are an equation. The more need there is for for large chunks of gold the more apt players are to buy it. Without these pig price tag items players really have no immediate need to have 4200g or 5k or whatever and so less big spending in a MMO means less need for gold buying, without buyers gold farmers dont exist.
However, devaluing the gold too far can be detrimental as well. some games in the past have been hit so hard by gold farmers that the game currency is no longer useful and players turned to other methods of currency as a replacment. Lets hope this is never the case in WoW as this marks a broken game. Broken by gold farmers.
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Let’s try to keep things in perspective: No casual raiders are clearing ICC at the moment, and many won’t until they hit level 85, if then. A casual player can’t do that with triumph gear, or even with the 1-3 pieces of frost gear available by now to those consistently grinding their daily random heroic and weekly raid (when it isn’t Marrowgar).
So there’s going to be a little more frost lotus on the market after the hardcore raiders are done slapping Arthas around. So I’ll spend the next month or two acquiring a full set of TOC10 gear when WotLK content is pretty much over. Who really cares?
The differences introduced in Wrath from vanilla and BC are that it is no longer _necessary_ for casual players to ignore raids due to the requirement of putting in a full-time job farming mats and we can get overgeared without grinding starter raids endlessly, and _then_ we can clear those starter raids. Remember- this is in order to play _old_ content. No casuals are clearing ICC at the moment. Does it make the game suck to know that lots of us are playing around in Ulduar now? Does it make you “real” raiders feel less accomplished if I get my TOC achievement in 2010? I wish you guys would quit complaining every time Blizzard expands the amount of fun available the _majority_ of paying player base, without it making the harder stuff you pay for any less fun.
Estlin- keep up the Randian whining about Blizzard being “socialist” while ignoring the fact that they’re running a business and being inclusive in order to maximize their own profit. If I must pick sides as you insist, I’d be on the side of relaxing after a long day of work and having some fun. Kind of like that little “pursuit of happiness” thing in the US declaration of independence. That is if you don’t mind of course, your highness, for I dare not anger a princess.
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“And suggesting that getting rid of gold would solve your problem indicates that you have no coherent position at all!”
That statement makes so little sense on so many levels.
1.M & Eener seem to be under the impression that this is “my” problem.
2. If M had actually been able to comprehend my post, he/she would have seen that my suggesting getting rid of gold would solve the GOLD SELLING problem, not any problem I have making or using gold.
3. “Why you should expect the same items to be valuable 6 months later is beyond me; nearly every content patch has dramatically changed the value of goods.” Here, you make my point for me. Frozen Orbs were de-valued for a reason. No-one needs lvl200 craftables for longer than a week anymore. This is an artificial inflation of the real value. Content patches change the value of goods by them being the mats for new crafted items. Arbitrary valuations are arbitrary. What if Blizz came out tomorrow saying that Badges of Justice could now be used to buy Primordial Saronite? Same basic logic applies (although you probably don’t even know what badges of justice are).
“I mean I know raiding is expensive and all, but it isn’t really that bad that you should be QQing about how now your fires are not going to sell as well as you want, etc.”
This isn’t about my fires selling or not. This statement is ridiculous as it fails to even barely grasp the concept at hand. Raiding consumeables (flasks)will decrease in value as anyone and their 5 year old sister will be able to get Frost Lotus. It will be cheaper for me, and I don’t want that. It is a dumbing down of the game, because it takes something that had a low spawn-rate for only one profession and makes it incredibly easy for any player to get. Eternals, you can farm and some mobs have 100% droprate. Ask any hebalist, there are days they can go w/out seeing a Frost Lotus. Where’s the equity in that?
What I hear is “Gearing and Prepping for raids should be easy”, what I’m saying is “Gearing and Prepping for raids is part of raiding”.
What happens is people get into raids with what should be adequate gear and prep and fail because they lack the fundamentals of their class/the game itself. They then QQ that everything is too hard and, in an effort to keep their $15/month Blizzard nerfs the content and requirements. I want to win on the merits of my (and my teammates’) play, not because they reduce the difficulty so much it’s impossible not to win.
Either you’re on the side of skill and effort or you’re on the side of entitlements and selfishness. Plain and simple if you ask me.
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> Players who take the time to do their research, their farming, and their auctioning will be severely disadvantaged by players who run the same unbelievably tired dungeons over and over.
This is wrong, the player who takes the time to do their research will always beat out those that just blindly enter the market. It sounds to me that despite your protests, it is you who is the lazy player who does not want to research how this will impact the market and what strategy will come out on top. Why you should expect the same items to be valuable 6 months later is beyond me; nearly every content patch has dramatically changed the value of goods.
> The only economy-based way to get rid of gold sellers is to make gold so hard to get that it prices itself out of the range for most buyers. That, or get rid of gold all together.
I am amazed that you think increasing the value of gold will decrease interest in the gold selling market. Most people like to be in markets with high profit margins, not low margins. But perhaps this sheds even more light on the nature of your complaints, if you like being in low margin markets. And suggesting that getting rid of gold would solve your problem indicates that you have no coherent position at all! Are you actually looking to make in game money, or are you too lazy to keep up with the market and just looking for Blizzard to give you an easy out?
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It’s not about dumbing down the game. You’re trading off one thing for another. Frozen orbs aren’t hard to get, and neither are the things that you’re going to be able to trade them for. For me, it’s easier as a healer to to just dump my orbs and buy mats like fires. Some of you are making this out to be breaking the market. Who cares? Is gold really worth that much to you? I mean I know raiding is expensive and all, but it isn’t really that bad that you should be QQing about how now your fires are not going to sell as well as you want, etc.
I honestly don’t see how its a big deal. I’m not so super casual that I can’t farm my stuff myself or dump gold on the stuff I’m not willing to farm.
This will just make the stupid frozen orbs worth something again, trading the market crunch on one thing for another.
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While you QQ about the impact this will have on you, imagine the impact devaluing gold has on gold farmers and sellers. It will be huge, and will be a massive improvement for the player base as a whole.
Look at the big picture. There are 11.499999+ million players aside from you. Improving their gameplay experience matters too.
Ignorance, sheer ignorance. If gold is worth less in game it will cheaper in real life. Now, instead of 1000g for $5 (not a real quote, just for example), it’ll be 1000g for $2.50. The farmers will still farm, the sellers will still sell, but the buyers (who will still buy)will now have DOUBLE the gold they would have.
The only economy-based way to get rid of gold sellers is to make gold so hard to get that it prices itself out of the range for most buyers. That, or get rid of gold all together.
This isn’t Blizzard’s answer to gold sellers, it’s their answer to “casual” players who don’t take the time to get gold the normal ways and complain that they can’t afford things.
If I play chess once a month and I play against someone who plays every day, should I have a board full of Queens to level the playing field?(and yes I know about timer-handicaps) If the same was true for console games, should I get a nuclear bomb to use against people w/rifles? If I work part-time I don’t get 40hrs of pay.
People who play more/smarter should have more than people who play less/dumber…unless you take this idea.
GIVE everyone BiS, get rid of gold/mats/whatever. Let skill dictate progress and achievement be the only reward. That’s not how I want to play. You can say what you want, but the only people who agree with the dumbing down of the game are the players who “need” it. (The stupid and/or lazy)
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correct me if im wrong… but i read this to be on the ptr… you know, that testing server where you get full super gear sets and such when you log your premade toons there… to test out the world. Not neccesarily the real realms. PTR usually has things to make it easier to test out the world fully without wasting hours farming. This easy mode vendor may not stay for the real realm. if it does, it will be one small nail in your profits casket, and one large dumptruck of dirt on the gold seller’s. its a risk id be willing to take.
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I should qualify my previous comment. By devaluing gold they make it harder for gold sellers to make money, which means LESS GOLD SELLERS. HOORAY!
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@ Estlin:
While you QQ about the impact this will have on you, imagine the impact devaluing gold has on gold farmers and sellers. It will be huge, and will be a massive improvement for the player base as a whole.
Look at the big picture. There are 11.499999+ million players aside from you. Improving their gameplay experience matters too.
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this is blizzard way to say f off to gold farmers, doing this well make them half to lower there price of gold sold on the web making it almost worthless to sell gold.
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lets see… i personally think we should some how be able to exchange our Emblems of Triumph ( which i have nearly 200 on on 2 toons) to Emblems of Frost. Maybe take 5 triumph for 1 Frost. i would be fine with 10 EoT’s for 1 frost.
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Oh great now so you will get even more idiots hitting need on a 5 gold frozen orb well guess I will just be joining those idiots and hitting need on it as well if that change is coming lol
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Too bad Primordial Saronite isn’t on the list
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Does anyone know if that mount will be an epic flying or regular flying?
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Wow…that takes the dumbing down of the game even further.
The economics of WoW are an integral part of the game for many players, myself included. Figuring out the best way to make the gold to buy what you need/want provides (or used to) a fun challenge and another way to pass the time between raids.
Providing orbs for emblem purchase seriously took a bite out of the crafting market. I can’t imagine what a guaranteed drop, w/a 20% chance of a player getting (or 100% with emblem turn-ins), will do to the economy now. Players who take the time to do their research, their farming, and their auctioning will be severely disadvantaged by players who run the same unbelievably tired dungeons over and over.
Why would anyone farm anymore if there’s no (or a drastically reduced) financial benefit?
As insanely easy as it is to make gold these days, I don’t understand Blizzard’s need to make gold less valuable. Why have an economy if you plan to put the entire population on welfare? What happened to a free market?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Blizzard is heading down a path where the logical conclusion is one where players log on, press one button, get BiS gear, “one-shot” a boss, and log back out until the next boss is released.
I don’t know about anyone else (I’m sure this will make the lazy, stupid or under-10yr old crowds happy.), but to me this is just another example of Blizzard trying to anything that could be called a game out of what they are selling…as a game.
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New patch notes say that, in attempt to gain and keep the toddler market, that pressing any button at all will have any effect in-game that you desire.
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go cheap Eternals!
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