Comments on: PTR Patch 3.3.3 Notes http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/19/ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes World of Warcraft news Mon, 12 Jul 2010 12:52:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ScrubTank http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/19/ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-3257 ScrubTank Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:28:55 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=2040#comment-3257 In response to Woot. If all the tanks in "pugs" are fail tanks , roll a tank class and change that perseption, other wise just be thankfull there are players out-there willing to tank even though the tank(and healers) get blamed for every thing. In response to Woot.
If all the tanks in “pugs” are fail tanks , roll a tank class and change that perseption, other wise just be thankfull there are players out-there willing to tank even though the tank(and healers) get blamed for every thing.

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]]> By: Jason http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/19/ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-3014 Jason Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:28:42 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=2040#comment-3014 I love the deserter debuff increase. I very rarely get it, and when I do desert, it's because of being in a completely crap group (usually roll heals/dps) and that's just the price of freedom. The problem seems to be primarily with tanks. If you queue as dps only, you sit for 15 minutes, wind up in Oculus with people who can't use vehicles, the tank drops immediately, the group falls apart, you've got the 15 minute cooldown to finish before you can queue again (this seems to disappear sometimes and not others), and finally another 15 minute queue to get into another dungeon. Healers tend to get replaced more easily on my server, but they can cause the same trouble. A tank knows that if he or she doesn't like a dungeon, it's a 15 minute wait for another, a dps might wait for 45 to get in a run. Perhaps this will keep the elitist tanks after 2 frost from being jerks and dropping when they wind up in a group of new 80's farming triumph for gear. (The kind who chain report recount results after each pull if they are in the lead on damage. You know who you are, and honestly, it's pathetic.) If those folks expect to run rampant through a 5 man, why not queue with their guildies who are similarly geared and be done with it? I love the deserter debuff increase. I very rarely get it, and when I do desert, it’s because of being in a completely crap group (usually roll heals/dps) and that’s just the price of freedom. The problem seems to be primarily with tanks. If you queue as dps only, you sit for 15 minutes, wind up in Oculus with people who can’t use vehicles, the tank drops immediately, the group falls apart, you’ve got the 15 minute cooldown to finish before you can queue again (this seems to disappear sometimes and not others), and finally another 15 minute queue to get into another dungeon. Healers tend to get replaced more easily on my server, but they can cause the same trouble.

A tank knows that if he or she doesn’t like a dungeon, it’s a 15 minute wait for another, a dps might wait for 45 to get in a run. Perhaps this will keep the elitist tanks after 2 frost from being jerks and dropping when they wind up in a group of new 80′s farming triumph for gear. (The kind who chain report recount results after each pull if they are in the lead on damage. You know who you are, and honestly, it’s pathetic.) If those folks expect to run rampant through a 5 man, why not queue with their guildies who are similarly geared and be done with it?

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]]> By: Deathtard http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/19/ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2899 Deathtard Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:20:02 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=2040#comment-2899 Where to start... Gear - As far as Need or Greed goes, I see a few problems already with the ideas voiced here. I agree that Hunters shouldnt be needing on plate... But what if a BOE Shield (shields arent super common drops) drops in a Reg HOR for ur 75 pally and ur on ur 80 DK? Even if you ask, and everyones ok with it but someone has already greeded... OR the tank decides he wants to AH it and Needs... Would be nice to have but you cant. Effectively turning tanks into possible Shield Ninjas, Only an example, but the situation could shaft each one of us at one time or another. BOA Hierloom Gear - A few items in here would be nice, like a Prot Style and a Heal Style shield. Maybe a Defense (or w/e its gonna be) trinket. Just a thought. Frozen Orbs - The old saying goes, "If you cant beat em, Join em." So just Need the orbs for now. Problem solved. Frozen Orbs to be Greed only sounds good, same with the Recipe Need only if you have the profession. Good Ideas IMO. Deserter Debuff - 30 minutes? Seriously? I disagree severely... Im leveling my 5th toon and the people who fail to understand thier class can make an instance hell. Hunters who dont MD, rogues that dont ToT, People making pulls before tank, etc. But to say that I get a debuff if I choose to leave a group, because someone is out of line and the VTK didnt pass, thats crap IMO. In that case Ill be Questing and Grinding the lvls out, so much for the "we want more players in dungeons" idea Just my take on stuff. Where to start…

Gear – As far as Need or Greed goes, I see a few problems already with the ideas voiced here. I agree that Hunters shouldnt be needing on plate… But what if a BOE Shield (shields arent super common drops) drops in a Reg HOR for ur 75 pally and ur on ur 80 DK? Even if you ask, and everyones ok with it but someone has already greeded… OR the tank decides he wants to AH it and Needs… Would be nice to have but you cant. Effectively turning tanks into possible Shield Ninjas, Only an example, but the situation could shaft each one of us at one time or another.

BOA Hierloom Gear – A few items in here would be nice, like a Prot Style and a Heal Style shield. Maybe a Defense (or w/e its gonna be) trinket. Just a thought.

Frozen Orbs – The old saying goes, “If you cant beat em, Join em.” So just Need the orbs for now. Problem solved. Frozen Orbs to be Greed only sounds good, same with the Recipe Need only if you have the profession. Good Ideas IMO.

Deserter Debuff – 30 minutes? Seriously? I disagree severely… Im leveling my 5th toon and the people who fail to understand thier class can make an instance hell. Hunters who dont MD, rogues that dont ToT, People making pulls before tank, etc. But to say that I get a debuff if I choose to leave a group, because someone is out of line and the VTK didnt pass, thats crap IMO. In that case Ill be Questing and Grinding the lvls out, so much for the “we want more players in dungeons” idea

Just my take on stuff.

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]]> By: Dailyae http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/19/ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2774 Dailyae Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:16:30 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=2040#comment-2774 This is in regards to gear. You know people that have better gear than the lowbie or noob 80s wouldn't mind so much being in a heroic with them if they would 1) socket and enchant your gear it might be 200 but lowbie enchants and green/blue gems show at least your trying. 2) have weapons and gear that is to your character.. meaning its really annoying to watch a hunter go thru a heroic with defense and spellpower because they replaced a green. If you choose not to do those than don't get made when us "elitists" call you out. Anyways.. now since my 245 Merlin's Robe is almost worthless ... The frozen orbs should be one option Greed. Those that have the profession (tailoring, jc, inscriptionist, etc) if a pattern,book or recipe drops you should be give the chance to Need while the other people only have the option to greed. This is in regards to gear. You know people that have better gear than the lowbie or noob 80s wouldn’t mind so much being in a heroic with them if they would 1) socket and enchant your gear it might be 200 but lowbie enchants and green/blue gems show at least your trying. 2) have weapons and gear that is to your character.. meaning its really annoying to watch a hunter go thru a heroic with defense and spellpower because they replaced a green. If you choose not to do those than don’t get made when us “elitists” call you out. Anyways.. now since my 245 Merlin’s Robe is almost worthless …

The frozen orbs should be one option Greed. Those that have the profession (tailoring, jc, inscriptionist, etc) if a pattern,book or recipe drops you should be give the chance to Need while the other people only have the option to greed.

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]]> By: JB http://www.wow-track.com/2010/02/19/ptr-patch-3-3-3-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-2770 JB Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:05:27 +0000 http://www.wow-track.com/?p=2040#comment-2770 I personally think the deserter debuff needs even more. There is nothing worse than waiting 20 minutes for a random heroic, just to have the tank split because he doesn't want to tank HoL. 20 minutes of my time (and the other 2 DPS) plus another 20 minute wait. I say have it increase for each desertion in a 24 hour period. 30/60/90 minutes and I bet these tanks stick around more often. For PUGs that just stink and need to disband, add a "vote to disband" option like the vote to kick that results in no penalty.

I personally think the deserter debuff needs even more. There is nothing worse than waiting 20 minutes for a random heroic, just to have the tank split because he doesn’t want to tank HoL. 20 minutes of my time (and the other 2 DPS) plus another 20 minute wait. I say have it increase for each desertion in a 24 hour period. 30/60/90 minutes and I bet these tanks stick around more often. For PUGs that just stink and need to disband, add a “vote to disband” option like the vote to kick that results in no penalty.

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