GhostCrawler is yet again active on the forums. This time, he’s replying to questions asked by concerned Holy Paladins, afraid for their raid spots in Cataclysm. (Something about losing their raid spots, as they are not going to be the dominant tank healers anymore.) Personally, i don’t believe in that, since it is the paladin healing niche, and i feel that they are concerned for no real reason, but that’s just my opinion on the matter.
However, Paladins ARE getting their raid heal, and there are many questions rising about that too. (you can check out Paladin Cataclysm Preview if you haven’t already). So, read his replies as statements, and if you want to read the whole discussion, hop over to the forums. You can do that by clicking on the “source”.
This post will be updated in the next 24 hours if and when GC posts new info about Holy Paladins, and i believe he will, as it seems he is satisfied with the discussions in the threads he posted in recently.
What we want to avoid: “Well, we don’t have our paladin tonight to heal the tank, so let’s call the raid.”
What we also want to avoid: “Well, we have too many paladins and they can’t raid heal, so let’s replace one with an undergeared alt.”
There are extremes of course. All things being equal, we’d rather you not stack too many of any one spec. We just don’t want to make it impossible to heal a raid if your group of friends just happens to have a lot of Holy paladins.
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Our goal is for paladins to be able to raid heal. Don’t look at the designs for spells that none of you have even been able to try and conclude those mechanics can’t possibly allow you to raid heal and therefore our goal can’t possibly be met and will therefore be abandoned. It’s fine to raise concerns — that’s one of the reasons we announce stuff like this early — but some of you are trying to get a spell buffed that you haven’t even cast yet.
I will say our vision for the AE spell though is not that the paladin runs around constantly, but that you position yourself where you can do the most good. Sometimes that will be back with the healers. Sometimes that might be in the melee. Sometimes you’ll have to spread out and your group healing won’t be as efficient (in the same way a shaman’s group healing isn’t as good in the same scenario).
We aren’t going to give paladins anything resembling Circle of Healing. One (or two) of those spells in the game is plenty.
Spirit will be a good stat to stack but only to a point. Once you can heal say a six minute boss fight without going out of mana, then any additional Spirit is pretty much wasted. At that point stats like crit start to look pretty attractive because they increase your spell’s throughput without increasing the mana cost. Maybe you’ll be able to heal someone with one cast, allowing you to swap over and heal another player. In today’s healing environment, where a lot of that excess healing will be wasted overhealing, getting a huge crit on a spell isn’t nearly as valuable.
We’ll have to see how raid healing goes. We might be okay with the tendency for groups to still assign paladins to tank healing because they are particularly good at it. What we want to avoid are those cases where a group feels like they can’t possibly keep tanks alive because they lack a paladin or they can’t possibly keep groups alive because they have too many paladins.
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JJ,
first off. you are a faggot.
second. are you retarded?
third. holy pallies rule.
fourth. you are a faggot. are you retarded?
Thank you.
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Well jeez, u say ur reading our comments dude and say ur going to try to improve on what we say, however 90% of us say that in one form or another we are unhappy with the changes. However, you just post that we r rong, which we’re not get a holy pally buddy. You decline and discard everything we say except for the 10% of ppl who like wut ur doing. You tell us to be more open minded (in so many words), however ur so closed minded on what u want to do and not what the vast majority of us want. Plz stop Nerfing PALLIES!
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Yeah Jajakoga, you would be surpised, i actually raid heal on my pally (of the same name) on Lightbringer. And i do it all in plate.
Mastery won’t really force us to do anything, we still have enchants and gems, so we can still push our gear in just about any direction we want.
I mean, im about 3100 gear score on wow-heroes and i have 720+ haste and shit tons of crit, and i only have a 25k UB mana pool cause i enver needed much more than my gear inherently gave me.
I personally don’t see why so many pallys are QQing over this, healing hands is gonna be really nice to have. And, from the sound of it its not going to be one of the gay heals that only targets GROUP MEMBERS! Unlike some retarded spells, imo.
And plus, we arent losing our spot as MT healers ANYTIME soon.
Point and case, we are getting a BIGGER HOLY LIGHT, an entire new spell that “might take three of these big heals (or two crits) to get a tank from death’s door back to 100% health.”
Nethaera: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24261189717&postId=242589277433&sid=1#554
So while most classes are receiving a middle heal, holy light is BECOMING our middle heal. I am assuming that GHL (giant holy light) will scale about the same up from HL as FoL scales up to HL. So this GHL might have a base heal of 6-7k at lvl 80 rank. So can you imagine what 2 CRITS in lvl 85 epic gear will be like?! A 20k regular heal is nothing for holy light now, so im assuming that we could get 60k with the GHL EASILY.
So, please people, for your own sake, read what is being posted and say “this looks cool” or “this looks lame” BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD QUIT WHINING ABOUT SKILLS YOU HAVENT USED YET!
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there is tons of plate sp + haste gear, on my healadin i have all plate and im haste caped.
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Well I definately was shocked to see that Blizzard is trying to make Paladins raid healers. I am duel specced Prot and Holy myself. Alot of us Holydins may not like the fact that we are losing our tank heal position I myself enjoyed using Beacon with Holy Light on both off tank and main tanks. Reading what Healing hands was doesn’t really take away our niche it actually kind of strengthens our weekend that we can only direct heal even with glyphs that heal everyone close to the one we use holy light on. The new spell can definately help out with tight situations whether it be 25 man, 10 man, reg or heroic dungeons. let’s see how this new spell for us benefits us
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only thing I’m annoyed with about holy paladins is our beacon getting nerfed. I hardly used FoL with beacon, it was more so I could heal two tanks at once with Holy Light. leave beacon the same and I’m happy.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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ya, myra, i don’t think you read it right. Paladins are just getting a raid heal, they will still probably be the main tank healers. They aren’t losing Beacon, it is just being changed slightly. You can still tank heal, but with a more AoE centric heal than before.
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Not paying attention, are you? The plan is: All can manage tank healing( including shamman- Druids) and all can heal raid now, but with different style each ( HoT, Chain, damage mitigation or a huge heal).That’s what I got, anyways.
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Hes basically telling us the other healing classes will be able to tank heal now. For pallys… I dont see more than 1 raid healer in a 25 man still. Drop the raid healing pally by the melee and tanks and presto! Spam Healing Hands ftw! However having competition with other healers will kind of suck.
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